Preretcon Beyonder wins. Molecule Man utterly in fear admitted that Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) is on levels unimaginable to him and self-stated that he cant Match Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) in power meaning that Beyonder was infinitely. They both basically live outside of the multiverses that they are part of. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. #1 Omega48. 4 years ago. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. Mee09. High Hyperverse level (The Beyonder is an infinite dimensional being. Fighting place: Dr. it would be mostly stalemate. . Multi-Oblivion 22. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. Gan and Crimson King are basically super-amped versions of P. 7: Old Lord Thanos. May 26, 2023. Divine mystical enhancements granting near omnipotent abilities. Power Grid [27] Intelligence @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Regardless. Black Celestial Galactus (not sure). #1. ago. Inherent in his almost limitless psionic abilities the Beyonder has the potential to affect reality in a manner that could, in theory, simulate virtually any power. Beyonder 39%. The Beyonder is no longer able to destroy the Living Tribunal. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. eternityx. Maybe the 3rd depending on how you interpret things, and we don’t know the 4th. Super Power Score and Level. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). Reality merely became whatever the Beyonder's imagination was. The difference is that the first Beyonder was presented as having a radically different backstory and widely divergent level of power to how he was presented before. it would be mostly stalemate. Stage 4 - Retcon 1 - Dumb, Dumb, Dumb - It is reveled that everything in secret wars I & II was mearly an illusion. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. The Spectre (at MAXIMUM Potential) vs. 8 K. 967. TheChoosenMewtwo • 10 mo. Rune King Thor cant beat a fully fed. Archived post. Reviews: 0. Definitely Beyonder. Pre-ret beyonder was collapsing parallel dimensions as a byproduct of deep conflicting thought, Thanos could probably achieve this seeing how he wiped the universe clean but Beyonder just seems. I see, so Gilgamesh is indeed powerful, but still difficult to tier consistently with all those different statements / showings. Eru Iluvatar is more like SCP 3812 but. It takes place in the astral plane that has infinite size. 7 years ago. ) No fan. Beyonder Pre-Retcon was a REALM. #5. Beyonder is barely multiversal, the cosmology is too. @sungsam: Current Molecule Man has the power of the beyonders so he is supposed to be more powerful than pre retconned moleculeman who is around the same level as pre retconned beyonder. Specificity of the Beyonder is that everything he thinks is real, and. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. Victory by permanent death or erasure. 6 years ago. 1. He is the embodiment of the Beyond-realm which is in fact, another multiverse. As a result, for his experiment, he. So if you scale his power he would be at the same level as TOAA is now. #8. Jul 30, 2018. 13 years ago. Mutant Inhuman Beyonder. Lucifer is a different beast. Is Pre-Retcon Beyonder more powerful than The One Above All? 57 results 1 2 #1 Edited By firewrkninja on TOAA's page it says that he is the most powerful being in the marvel multiverse. Something like "Weakest DC Villain that could beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder" would be fine though. • 1 year ago. Forum Posts. ago. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. Phoenix Taaia 26. Dr. ago. There's a difference. Metaphysical power sets, hax (Well, can consider both the same if you want, since Gilgamesh's hax adheres to metaphysical power sets) Beyonder has simply no resistence against, surperior cosmology. ago. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Especially if they all team up on him. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. When the Beyonder entered Marvel, reality itself ceased to exist. Endless Mike. Momentarily Matches Beyonder in a battle that causes Multiversal TremorsBut my vote for Pre-Retcon Beyonder just cause marvel writers stated he been TOAA in his own multiverse and all combine power in all multiverse in a millions times lower than him . Franklin Richards (when he has powers), Molecule Man, Mad Jim Jaspers, Job Burke, and other universal- to multiversal-level reality warpers. Pre-ret beyonder was collapsing parallel dimensions as a byproduct of deep conflicting thought, Thanos could probably achieve this seeing how he wiped the universe clean but Beyonder just seems. Dormamu Eternity Power 27. PR Beyonder takes it 10/10. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. 1st Retcon - Beyonder was a cosmic cube who dreamed everything (so SW & SW II did not happen) . The level is set when. Thelastmlg said: thought robot is around baseline high hyperversal while beyonder is stronger that everyone in the marvel multiverse combined times some millions which includes the living tribunal and if i not wrong multi-eternity which both are baseline high hyperversal. Along with being superior to the concept of Spatiality and Temporality. Was mind-haxxed/poisoned by Multiversal knowledge, despite being more than thousands of degrees more powerful than such things. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. To believe that all infinite multiversals are equal is to believe LT would "stalemate" the likes of Time Eater Lavos and Zeedmilleniummon. It’s hard to grasp at this level, but I believe the Beyonder has far greater on screen feats, such as his battle with Molecule Man. Takes place in the beyond verse, pre retcon beyonder has summoned his retconned versions to battle each other to. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. the Celestials on occassion were referring to as this strong, which in. Jim Shooter who was the. But, that was in regard to a. ImKindaANiceGuy • 3 yr. 8. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesPre-Retcon Beyonder just erases the Throne of Heroes, killing every single servant because servants are copies of heroes, made using information from the Throne of Heroes. Pre-Retcon Beyonder Thread starter shrike2003; Start date May 26, 2006; Who rapes whom? The Spectre, at his max, is basically GOD!!. I personally think ART wins, but it could go either. Cosmic Armor Superman is two infinities greater than a multiverse whilst Beyonder is only a million times greater than a Multiverse that does not even expand. Thank you. Pre-Retcon Beyonder 10/10 destroy Flash. Everyone in current Marvel (except The One Above All, and Living Tribunal. 2nd Retcon - The BEyonder. Levels of power on the forum are determined for the most part by the feats shown by the combatants. During Fantastic Four #319, the Beyonder was retconned into being an incomplete Cosmic Cube, with the Molecule Man as his other half. Power Grid [27] Intelligence@kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. #17. Enter, the retcon. #6 Edited By DC_Marvel_1000. 13 years ago Pre-Retcon Beyonder has been stated to be only millions of times more powerful than a multiverse, which means he has a level of dimensionality that's in the millions or is otherwise infinite. New Comics. I forget her name. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the neverending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth’s greatest heroes. The Beyonders call the. I also added scans and references. ^This. This fifth dimensionl counted. Follow. He is the embodiment of the Beyonder Realm, a place much bigger than the Marvel Multiverse, outside of reality. Pre retcon beyonder one shots all. Poll Scathan The Approver vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (84 votes) Scathan 26%. Created to be the ultimate thing ever, the Beyonder fulfilled his objective too well. Why does the Beyonder look so cheesy. Master/Crazy Hand, Tabuu, Galeem/Dharkon. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more insane than his diet coke race counterparts Hickman used (yes they predate Hickman as Kubik in that FF4 comic shows, I know). Cosmic Cube Beyonder. VS. Round 2: White Phoenix of the Crown: Beyonder stomps. -Everything in bleach. Prior to being retconned totally out of power and relevance, the Beyonder was basically the most powerful being in all of Marvel comics, totally. 3: Pre-retcon Beyonder 4: Post-retcon Beyonders. It’s Lucifer vs PR Beyonder basically. The first pre-retcon Beyonder dies. Manhattan is super strong. ago. This would eventually change with later stories, as writers would rewrite and retcon the Beyonder's character and origin, to decrease his power and importance in the Cosmic Hierarchy. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. Even though most of Beyonder's feats in SW are still canon, Doom's statement could have *only* been in reference to POST-retcon (ie. As we can recall he was retconned, meaning most of his feats did not occur. Beyonder both times, i find God of stories loki just generally to be wanked by flowery wording and shitty interpretation, hes still currently god of stories and got shit on by Donald Blake who just had some power of Thor and the World Serpant. #1 Edited By XiiX. His book alone has all. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. Has no equal or superior, Created Heaven’s (which could be a Universe) with a word and is just flat out stated to be omnipotent with. The Pre Rectcon Beyonder is basically a galaxy spanning Pamela Geller, Richard Dawkins and Salman Rushdie rolled into one universal power, the Beyonder has the power to stomp on the Quran or Koran. MrStealYoSweetroll • 2 yr. If the individual, then pre-retcon Beyonder wins hands down. #28 ovy7. 3. #11. I agree, but you have to understand that the only things in the Marvel Multiverse more powerful than the Infinity Stones, and by extension the Gauntlet, are the The Living Tribunal, The Heart of the Universe, The Fulcrum (which is the man Jack Kirby himself), pre-retcon Beyonder (arguably), The Marquis of Death (non-canon), and. “Luffy is MFTL and Large Planet level” shut the fuck up shut the fuck up shut the fuck up. He. Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. Only way Parayla wins is of. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. Didn't Comic God of Stories affected Pre-Retcon Beyonder? 7 days ago. That is PRE-retcon Beyonder. here are the rules. Kuuko273. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. MCU God of stories Loki vs Pre Retcon Beyonder. Pre retcon beyonder vs cosmic armour superman Scan-Battle Who wins in a 1v1 fight Round 1. Forums. So, it is the power of pre-retcon Beyonder. With the tumor, Hajun has an Taiyoku level of Infinity . Wich by the way, Beyonder, would just make a tought to undo them all. 0. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. A fight which takes place on countless levels other than the physical. 2. Which all adds up to TOAA FTW. Dude’s absolutely broken. Stops at 4. 21)Beyonder(Pre-retcon) 22)Elaine Belloc 23)Nyarlathotep The Rules: 1. We can only scale from their established power levels as they were in 1985, not after the retcon took place. Both are in character. Pre-Retcon Beyonder should been banned because he's pretty much unbeatable, though I consider Pre-Retcon Molecule Man to be beatable so I used he for this thread. That concludes beyonder feats now what I conclude from this is:-. Anti-monitor was multiversal, Beyonder was hundreds and hundreds of times more powerful than the multiverse and is the poster boy for omnipotence (even though he's nigh omnipotent). Beyonder displayed far superior implicated power than the. Super Power Score and Level. Anyone trying to still argue Pre Retcon Beyonder is some Marvel top tier needs to have their info refreshed. bloodlisted. He went so far as to take on the Oans in the Green Lantern corps. With this said, Secret wars 2 did but all that massively multiversal mumbo-jumbo and Living Tribunal being less than a. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. 9 years ago. Pre-retcon beyonder is equal toaa in power. Poll Eru Iluvatar vs Beyonder ( Pre Retcon ) (41 votes) Eru 61%. #28 ovy7. Followers. Baby Beyonder. Bat Manhattan has all his current power as of the last issue from DC Comics. Omnipotence is true infinity where nothing can go beyond. edit3: There is one mutant whose ability is retcon. Yes, the Ivory Kings are retcon back inspirations to Pre Retcon Beyonder, but they are merely inspirations. "True Darkseid" or whatever you want to call him was threatening the muliverse due to the nature of his fall - not personal power. Don't think God Thing's H4X compares. (after experiencing limitation during the Doom comedy in SWI) Genius, in terms of a perfect segue to sell more comics. Round 5 : Beyonder Curbs ( it is said that his power is far superior to MM. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. But it wont be easy by no means. 1. Thanos here probably has more power but Beyonder might win off of a technicality. Join this channel to get access to perks:…The Beyonder was an impossibly powerful being who held the Secret Wars, essentially kidnapping a whole bunch of heroes and villains and making them fight for his. Here is my sandbox: Evaluation would be very helpful. Surface Wiper Tier: Able to destroy the surface of a planet or wipe out all life on a world [E. ) along with the Great Houses of Gallifrey (A. 1. " So, name someone. Beyonder can create and destroy multiverse just by thiniking. Heck, it was Pre-Retcon Beyonder who was basically the original and first Marvel's Void Abstract, not Oblivion. He was thousands of times the power of the Marvel. PR Beyonder was somehow tricked by dr doom and lost his power which is dumb tbh. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. Hungry-Ad9779 • 7 mo. 2 years ago. 7. DC team : The Darkest Knight, Perpetua and Doctor Manhattan. Also, you should prove that Dormammu and Eternity can not just destroy but ONESHOT multiverse. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than anyone not omnipotent. Beyonder: Biography: The man, the myth, the legend. Beyonder was stated millions of times more powerful than the combined power of all Marvel including any and every being in it. Holo-Man • 3 yr. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). 2. You can't be above the power of the wrtiers. Spectre, to me, has never proved to be an equal to LT. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. Beyonder 39%. MCU God of stories Loki vs Pre Retcon Beyonder. 9 Doctor Manhattan: Like A Duck To Water. 8: Hulk /w The One Below All. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are. Beyonder Is so powerful he gets bored even with The most over powered entities. He needed to use his entire power to kill mistress death which left. The Beyonder was once a God with limitless powers in the Marvel Omniverse. Yeah true. Even we accept the retcon situation you defend,thats not a obstacle for Pre Retcon Beyonder and his Supreme power. Because there is no "pre-retcon" Beyonder in Marvel canon -- that is nothing more than a made-up battleboard term. Forum Posts. #11. Spectre's power is ultimately his own power. "Now now thats not true. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Pre-Ret MM having abstracts such as LT and Eternity beg him to fight Beyonder implies he's one incredibly powerful dude. He is superior to LT, but to what degree is unknown. Mr. On the other hand, though, hasn't Doctor Doom. Beyonder's every retcon was stated to be this strong , no matter which one you are referring to. normal Round 2. Beyonder. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was Omnipotent! The comics said so. After discovering and observing our universe (616) through the pinhole, Beyonder destroys an entire galaxy and creates the battle world from it to act as a battlefield for the secret war between the superheroes and villains - Scan 1 and Scan 2. 5 years ago. Also the Beyonder is whatever he decides to be. Attack Potency: Varies (His power level varies heavily depending on his mental and emotional state, as well as the mental blocks he places upon his own mind - without even knowing) from Human level (Is an ordinary human sometimes, but his statistics tend to go up and down) to High Hyperverse level (Comparable to the Beyonder, being, depending. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. Then we will talk. 9: Dr. Marvel team : Pre-Retcon Molecule Man, The Beyonder & Living Tribunal. Destiny is shown to be above DC as a whole. That's all there is to it. Galactus Fused 23. 2. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. Femto would oneshot 100% of Marvel not even Pre-Retcon Beyonder can stop this monster, you have to be as powerful as Lucifer Morningstar to have a chance of fighting Femto but even then i would. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Molecule Man can cancel Beyonder’s power and weaken him. In terms of power levels, this list is pretty accurate though. CC Goku is outerversal while in Uni Blue, meanwhile Pre retcon Beyonder as far as i know is high outer and has way better feats, apart from being part of a much larger cosmology. If we don't then I think he would stop at 6 since Thought Robot is plot device designed to always beat the villain and Beyonder would be the villain in this situation from the perspective of Though Robot. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. Then again PRB could be true Omnipotent, but it seems like too much of a stretch. Defenders Beyond prove GoS abilities work on Beyonders or no. 1. "For sake of argument, let's assume that a normal value is 1. Here are all his interpreted levels of power. The Beyonder was ALMOST killed by a Universe level attack. While often portrayed as a misunderstood villain, he has also at times acted as an anti-hero. Beyonder is called "Omnipotent" in all the. #14. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. Forums. no. deactivated-63c1a72900876. 3. Origin: Marvel Comics. Then there is Inhuman/Mutant beyonder who had nothing to do with The beyonders. Post Retcon the Beyonder was part cosmic cube along with Owen. Beyonder is at a whole new level. Originally Beyonder was a mysterious cosmic entity from outside the multiverse who was more powerful than Galactus, The Celestials, and the entire Cosmic Compass. 9: Dr. Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. Azrael and Time(Discworld) 4. s The whole Kryptonian , Earth heroes, Justic League , Avengers, Teen Titan, Olympiancan Pre-Retcon Beyonder take all of those SPeople already think Pre-Retcon Beyonder is around the One Above All (directly below, equal, or above), so this new big bad is gonna be busted in a confusing way, since a fraction of his is power. Both HotU Thanos and PR Beyonder were vastly greater than LT. In Lucifer DC Multiverse is not just infinite dimensional but also existing in multiple existence as seen in his conversation with Presence. show 3 replies . Nope. 0. 140. Pre retcon Beyonder is not a part of Thanos's multiverse, and would thus be unaffected by. Name: The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who Is All, "Frank," Kosmos, The Maker, The Broken One. 3. Super Power Score and Level. Ah I see so when people say flash is OP what they mean is OP with respect to most commonly cited superheroes/villains. Beyonder 16. Powers and Stats. He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. The Beyonder is a recurring antagonist of Avengers Assemble. 10 years ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonder can teleport and undo. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. GEB=Anti Pressence. Pre-retcon Secret Wars II Beyonder. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. However, let's remember; PR Beyonder let Dr. The Two fight in the beyond realm. If Living Tribunal is infinite multiversal, Beyonder far transcends him, how are both infinite universal unless one is logically on a higher level of power. The Beyonder is the physical manifestation of the beyond realm itself, the beyond realm is superior/transcendent over the marvel Multiverse in it's entirety, is beyond all planes of reality and myriad dimensions. He stomps. Ima go with byonder. Something ppl get wrong. Origin: Marvel Comics. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. When Molecule Man faced The Sentry, he was in his unrestrained normal-self as he showed himself able to use his powers in new ways as he got rid of all his negative beliefs on his abilities (the Dark Reign Files are a. King_Saturn. Instead of dealing with the two out right, the Presence gets help from his agents. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. g: Hulk (strongest variant), Sargeras. Spectre, to me, has never proved to be an equal to LT. Eternity, Death, Living Tribunal, are all way more powerful than the Beyonder. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his hand. " No actually there have been 3 different incarnations of the Beyonder with 3 different power levels. Beyonder is hurt. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. #3 JohanLiebert123. Deku remembers All Might then poof PRB is knocked out. Round 1: Eternity: Beyonder stomps. The only level higher than fiction is the reality, so unless you think 3812 is about to come into the real world he literally can't ascend above a comic character. 6. Holo-Man • 3 yr. 4,859 4,632. #1 Omega48. 1st Retconned Beyonder < Cosmic Cube. But beyonder that isn’t pr gets absorbed. Q, although claims omnipotence, was still very bound with what he could do. . Follow 3300. That said, Beyonder loses anyway otherwise and badly (really badly) mainly because Lucifer crushes the BeyondRealm and can survive all of Beyonder's max feat and max implied level of power. 66. . Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Business, Economics, and Finance. Aka and Lorkhan influenced and limited all Et'Ada with their power. Add a Comment. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level.