Super Power Score and Level. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was Omnipotent! The comics said so. 2nd Retcon - The BEyonder. The only level higher than fiction is the reality, so unless you think 3812 is about to come into the real world he literally can't ascend above a comic character. Pre- Retcon Beyonder would not be that much powerful if he came now. The beyonder = The One above all. GhostRavage. Archived post. Pre-Retcon Beyonder probably is more powerful than current Sky-father Hercules and therefore can/should win. It takes place in the astral plane that has infinite size. 13 years ago Pre-Retcon Beyonder has been stated to be only millions of times more powerful than a multiverse, which means he has a level of dimensionality that's in the millions or is otherwise infinite. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. on TOAA's page it says that he is the most powerful being in the marvel multiverse. When super-amped Doom battled the Beyonder he got stomped hard. Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. Pre Retcon Beyonder is boundless while Lucifer n AR thanos are high outer. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely stronger than the entire Marvel Multiverse, Phoenix Force is only the sum of all life in the multiverse (although never ever depicted anywhere near this level). A few pages leter Beyonder comes back kills Doom and starts curb stomping everyone including wrecking the mutli verse and breaking apart countless realities That's what Pre Retcon Beyonder is A. He is superior to LT, but to what degree is unknown. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. In terms of power levels, this list is pretty accurate though. Pre-Retcon Beyonders was described to be like a child compared to the Beyonders we are seeing now. New Comics. Aka and Lorkhan influenced and limited all Et'Ada with their power. That is PRE-retcon Beyonder. Beyonder snorts him. When Molecule Man faced The Sentry, he was in his unrestrained normal-self as he showed himself able to use his powers in new ways as he got rid of all his negative beliefs on his abilities (the Dark Reign Files are a. 1st Retconned Beyonder < Cosmic Cube. Current Beyonder looks to be back to his Pre Retcon level. Pre Retcon Beyonder (Same reason as The Presence) Kami Tenchi (Once again, for similar reasons as The Presence) Archived post. The energy breached into reality during the accident that gave Owen his powers, but as there was no container, a large part of such energy wandered off into another universe, creating the Beyonder. Beyonder (pre retcon) Fixed. Even if. R2: God stomps. Because the Living Tribunal was not 1-A back in 1985, and that is the era when the pre-retcon Beyonder existed. During most of the trial, he was a silent witness, holding Protege, the Beyonder, and the Guardians of the Galaxy, while the Tribunal, Eternity, and the Hawk God argued the case. :The mage can't use any scrying abilitys between the fights to study his opponents except against the Doctor. When Peter had Beyonder's powers for just a. Scathan has decided he no longer "Approves" of the beyonders exsistance. edit2: One big gotcha I should mention. and lady death is just skeleton level because she is a skeleton. Is Pre-Retcon Beyonder more powerful than The One Above All? 57 results 1 2 #1 Edited By firewrkninja on TOAA's page it says that he is the most powerful being in the marvel multiverse. Mxyzptlk. 11. He is his total opposite and equal in power. JuliusTakalua. GEB=Anti Pressence. The Pre Rectcon Beyonder is basically a galaxy spanning Pamela Geller, Richard Dawkins and Salman Rushdie rolled into one universal power, the Beyonder has the power to stomp on the Quran or Koran. edit3: There is one mutant whose ability is retcon. Because there is no "pre-retcon" Beyonder in Marvel canon -- that is nothing more than a made-up battleboard term. They know that he is capable of ending them with naught but a thought, and that engenders a feeling in them they've never known- fear. Full123. Beyonder doesn't have omniversal feats to even put him on an omniversal level, much less beyond omniversal level. 9. Aka vs the Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Thread starter Keeweed; Start date Jan 2,. He can literally “retcon” the Beyonders into existence when they didn’t used to. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on into infinity. Maybe the 3rd depending on how you interpret things, and we don’t know the 4th. He doesn't actually receive any extra power from the Presence. ago. Round 3 Pre-retcon Beyonder takes this and with a good level of ease. Forum Posts. . In no way, shape, or form you can scale to the whole thing. 0. The Beyonder is millions of times more powerful than the combined power in the multiverse which includes the Living Tribunal - Scan 1. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. Reality merely became whatever the Beyonder's imagination was. Azrael and Time(Discworld) 4. Both are in character. Nothing can come close to infinite creation and/or destruction. 9 years ago. The Beyonder beat them rather easily - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3,. You see, the thing is that Pre Retcon Beyonder is Secret Wars Beyonder, so it’s not completely incorrect in a away, but all these events are taking after the retcon, if you get what I mean. How you interpret that is irrelevant. Fixes Beyonder's Multiverse-Wide Destruction. Endless Mike. VS. Beyonder Pre-Retcon was a REALM. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Tier: High 1-B | At least High 1-B | High 1-A | High 1-A. 7: Old Lord Thanos. He was thousands of times the power of the Marvel. PR Beyonder was able to erase LT with a wave of his hand. Welcome to earth. Beyonder squashes him like a bug. Ah I see so when people say flash is OP what they mean is OP with respect to most commonly cited superheroes/villains. He has the best battle feats, taking on the Celestials, the Molecule Man. Stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts. 8 years ago. greater Wheel which is in tur the lowest level of an "telescope stretching all the way back to the eye of the Anui-El, with padomaics innumerable among its infinite walls",. Manhattan's league. 2. Numidium 2. Pre-retcon, he's a multiversal reality warper and does things like tear the multiverse up on accident . Pre-Retcon Beyonder and LT would be about the same power level, imo. Beyonder displayed far superior implicated power than the. Based on Owen's estimation of Beyonder's power levels. #1. Pre retcon beyonder one shots all. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Pre-Retcon Beyonder got overpowered by the Phoenix Force. The first pre-retcon Beyonder dies. They don’t have a weak point in their past to travel to. Even The. Fight till death. TOAA is God of Marvel while PR Beyonder is a much bigger god. A man as powerful as he is chronically insecure character, Owen Reece has the power to control all matter and energy. 1st Retcon - Beyonder was a cosmic cube who dreamed everything (so SW & SW II did not happen) . on Beyonder's page it says he is over a million times more poweDoom manages to steal Beyonder’s power. Pre recton beyonder is one of the most over wanked marvel characters . Pre-Retcon Beyonder and LT would be about the same power level, imo. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. Pre retcon MM scared the cosmics of the 80s even as groups, they had to just let him pass by out of fear, even beg him to fight Beyonder due to how scared shitless they. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. #1 Edited By XiiX. While often portrayed as a misunderstood villain, he has also at times acted as an anti-hero. on. Victory conditions: for the beyonder it is to destroy the entire race of time lords, for the time lords it is killing or making the beyonder surrender. In Avengers Beyond #1, the Beyonder race was revealed to be created by Cal-Horra (clarified to be a creation of the Celestials in issues #4 – 5) and their power originated. Nothing's ever more ridiculous than claiming a guy who got extremely tired just from erasing Death from the multiverse, jobs like fucking crazy during Secret Wars II and lost a serious fight to Rachel Summers (which everyone seems to. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. Mismatch, this version of Beyonder is TOAA level. Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful. 3. Scales nowhere. Heck, it was Pre-Retcon Beyonder who was basically the original and first Marvel's Void Abstract, not Oblivion. The Beyonder is a recurring antagonist of Avengers Assemble. 12984. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. He'd be incredibly more versetile with his approach in the fight. Pre-Recon Beyonder can reverse forbidden magic instantly. PR Beyonder may have slightly better feats than Lucifer, he's not nearly as crafty. Characters; Creators; Teams; VolumesHis power level is all over the place. Archie Sonic vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder 62 results; 1; 2; pr0d1gy. Eternity, Death, Living Tribunal, are all way more powerful than the Beyonder. The more you use dimensional levels as a way to mean the character wins only makes them lose because the higher the dimensional level doesnt mean anything lmao. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. Deku remembers All Might then poof PRB is knocked out. Just checked, you're right, my bad. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are. Follow 3300. If Living Tribunal is infinite multiversal, Beyonder far transcends him, how are both infinite universal unless one is logically on a higher level of power. Beyonder both times, i find God of stories loki just generally to be wanked by flowery wording and shitty interpretation, hes still currently god of stories and got shit on by Donald Blake who just had some power of Thor and the World Serpant. 1. The difference in power level between the two is therefore infinity. This is came from a Handbook that is for Cosmic Cube Beyonder but this Handbook is a reference to his ORIGINAL character for Beyonder in Secret Wars 1-2No struggle, no real story. Let's put it this way. Origin: Marvel Comics. 7: Old Lord Thanos. #28 ovy7. Even LT feared him and begged him not to do everything he did. Originally Beyonder was a mysterious cosmic entity from outside the multiverse who was more powerful than Galactus, The Celestials, and the entire Cosmic Compass. 4. Pre Retcon Beyonder gets wrecked hard lol. Prior to being retconned totally out of power and relevance, the Beyonder was basically the most powerful being in all of Marvel comics, totally. Well seeing how ive been told i need to tone down the Superman stuff. Im pretty much clueless on DB and its power levels; but, i cant picture pre retcon beyonder having any difficulties with dragon ball verse characters. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Beyonder's every retcon was stated to be this strong , no matter which one you are referring to. #1 Omega48. Nightmare All Dreams 24. Battle. Share to. ago. That said, Beyonder loses anyway otherwise and badly (really badly) mainly because Lucifer crushes the BeyondRealm and can survive all of Beyonder's max feat and max implied level of power. After discovering and observing our universe (616) through the pinhole, Beyonder destroys an entire galaxy and creates the battle world from it to act as a battlefield for the secret war between the superheroes and villains - Scan 1 and Scan 2. Originally posted by galan7777777. PRB has a lot of showings that would suggest otherwise. Pre-Retcon Beyonder probably is more powerful than current Sky-father Hercules and therefore can/should win. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. it would be mostly stalemate. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). The Beyonder was ALMOST killed by a Universe level attack. so that places a limit on his power. Created to be the ultimate thing ever, the Beyonder fulfilled his objective too well. He was thousands of times the power of the Marvel. Spectre, to me, has never proved to be an equal to LT. Inherent in his almost limitless psionic abilities the Beyonder has the potential to affect reality in a manner that could, in theory, simulate virtually any power. Powers are basically the same thing. VS. Beyonder is just Metaverse level or Low Metaverse. During Fantastic Four #319, the Beyonder was retconned into being an incomplete Cosmic Cube, with the Molecule Man as his other half. The Life-force is powerful than The Beyonder's power. #14. bloodlisted. Beyonder has way more hax, the Glory is literally non-sentient, and Beyonder has an extreme AP advantage, seeing as the Glory is only possibly baseline High 1-B, and Beyonder is well over 10,000,000 times more powerful than almost every High 1-B in Marvel. not all are the same power level. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). R. He is. Prepare for. Pre-Retcon Beyonder Thread starter shrike2003; Start date May 26, 2006; Who rapes whom? The Spectre, at his max, is basically GOD!!. . I forget her name. Pre-Retcon Beyonder 10/10 destroy Flash. 13 years ago. Forums. Ima go with byonder. Preretcon Beyonder wins. s The whole Kryptonian , Earth heroes, Justic League , Avengers, Teen Titan, Olympiancan Pre-Retcon Beyonder take all of those SPeople already think Pre-Retcon Beyonder is around the One Above All (directly below, equal, or above), so this new big bad is gonna be busted in a confusing way, since a fraction of his is power. Nejfelt • 2 yr. I agree, but you have to understand that the only things in the Marvel Multiverse more powerful than the Infinity Stones, and by extension the Gauntlet, are the The Living Tribunal, The Heart of the Universe, The Fulcrum (which is the man Jack Kirby himself), pre-retcon Beyonder (arguably), The Marquis of Death (non-canon), and. ago. Both HotU Thanos and PR Beyonder were vastly greater than LT. These are somewhat meaningless, it gets to a point where it's too abstract to try and say something concrete about. Beyonder, Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon with minimum effort. MCU God of stories Loki vs Pre Retcon Beyonder. The result of an. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. ago. 21)Beyonder(Pre-retcon) 22)Elaine Belloc 23)Nyarlathotep The Rules: 1. Destiny is shown to be above DC as a whole. Cosmic Cube Beyonder. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. However PR Beyonder has more power than basically all of existence and attacks that destroyed multiverses were nothing to. Ahl God Of Superheroes 20. eternityx. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Half of these people are irrelevant because their power levels overlap so much. Super Power Score and Level. Post-Retcon Molecule Man easily overpowered the Post-Retcon Beyonder. Beyonder is called "Omnipotent" in all the. Just when you open it up to all of fiction it doesn't create a very fun discussion, and if the only goal is to name characters that can beat him then that kind of creates a boring thread of people just naming off every character of a given power level. That's a sense of just what level the Beyonder is at. The Soruce(DC) 5. Super forms can change from one battle to the next in power level, although there is. Beyonder 39%. Current Beyonder vs New 52 Spectre. If you can find a single DBS character (aside from Zeno) who could solo any of these, I’ll be impressed. 1. Marvel vs DCBeyonder's best feat is defeating a multiverse level entity, the Living Tribunal, which was a big deal. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesPre Retcon Beyonder feats Please read these scans before you vote. FIN7 • 5 July 2018 • User blog:FIN7. The Beyonder can't do anything to this level of OP shit. So even at a lower power level, Lucifer may still beat him. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. . pre-retcon Beyonder. PR Beyonder curbstomps. 3. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. Beyonder is better then the verse it is really to vague an obscure but really they don't seem to come close to his level of power and I doubt they are supposed to be interpreted as such. jwwprod. Dormamu Eternity Power 27. ago. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 20. The Beyonder stomps. He is the embodiment of the Beyonder Realm, a place much bigger than the Marvel Multiverse, outside of reality. The Beyonders call the. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. Stops at 4. From a mathematical perspective, Me as a normal human being is literally closer to Azathoth and dr who power level than they are to 3812 . That said, outside of raw power I’d believe Lucifer could trick him or otherwise outwit him. The Beyonder is the physical manifestation of the beyond realm itself, the beyond realm is superior/transcendent over the marvel Multiverse in it's entirety, is beyond all planes of reality and myriad dimensions. That was the whole point of "Secret Wars II. DC's cosmology is bigger than current Marvel's (due to the absolutely ungodly nerfs), but it's definitely not larger than Classic Marvel, where PRB hails from. Pre retcon Beyonder & MM > Lucifer Morningstar > The Endless. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. ago. Beyonder Pre-Retcon was a REALM. The Spectre (at MAXIMUM Potential) vs. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). VERDICT: For those unaware beyonder is not just 1-A: He's HIGH 1-A, FAR greater than infinity itself. 8 years ago. Beyonder has way more hax, the Glory is literally non-sentient, and Beyonder has an extreme AP advantage, seeing as the Glory is only possibly baseline High 1-B, and Beyonder is well over 10,000,000 times more powerful than almost every High 1-B in Marvel. -Everything in bleach. He is the closest thing to omnipotent without being omnipotent. Multi-Abstract= Multi-Eternity. ago. Unless you thought that this was IG Thanos and Post-Retcon Beyonder, in which case your assessment makes sense. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the neverending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth’s greatest heroes. Everyone in current Marvel (except The One Above All, and Living Tribunal. #28 ovy7. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Poll Scathan The Approver vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (84 votes) Scathan 26%. 3. 5 years ago. g: Hulk (strongest variant), Sargeras. Although marvel uses numbers to calculate; it's as if he's Alef Null x Billion beyond infinity that already exist, which Tribunal and many others have already transcended. •Beyonder is infinitely bigger than the whole multiverse [which has infinite number of universe in it] •Beyonder is infinitely powerful than all of multiverse combined. Dr. 1. g: Nyx (Persona), Lord Boros. It could be argued that the HOTU is as powerful as pre-retcon Beyonder, but even if you were to successfully argue that, it's two beings of PR-Beyonder level power against one HOTU. Also CAS safe stomps round 4, 7 and probably round 10 as well. Stage 4 - Retcon 1 - Dumb, Dumb, Dumb - It is reveled that everything in secret wars I & II was mearly an illusion. Beyonder pre-retcon Beyonder > current beyonders races. Depends on if he means pre retcon beyonder or the cosmic cube beyonder. HANDBOOK FOR POST RECTON. "Pre retcon beyonder" had no limits and couldn't be destroyed. ^This. •beyonder is omnipotent in the beyond realm. The Beyonder being millions of times the power of the Multiverse was countered by himself twicesaying Eternity and The Phoenix Force had the power to destroy him. When he. Follow 4132. trolls can call other people trolls. The rest of the rounds Marvel is pretty dominant, maybe they could do something in the final round. SCP 3812 will just blink Pre Retcon Beyonder out of existence easily. They have never adapted to PR Beyonder level power. Pre-retcon beyonder is equal toaa in power. As for Wanda feats she reformed the multiverse (not omniverse, just the way it was used here) and ALSO stopped/controlled/dispersed. Making the Molecule Man a bomb created by said Beyonders for each reality. Victor knows about Beyonder's powers so if he knows that LF is powerful than Cosmic cube why doesn't he just says “ Even the powers of The 'Cosmic cube' was. Super Power Score and Level. VS. His power level is limited to Marvels definition of omnipotence and it's hierarchy which currrently includes deities like the One Above All. This is a higher scale power level. The Pre Rectcon Beyonder is basically a galaxy spanning Pamela Geller, Richard Dawkins and Salman Rushdie rolled into one universal power, the Beyonder has the power to stomp on the Quran or Koran. Power Grid [27] Intelligence@kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. - Neither. So, a powerful being's place is usually on the outside as a supporter or obstacle of your central characters. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. However, let's remember; PR Beyonder let Dr. Power-level wise, the Beyonder is so far 'beyond' the Anti-Monitor it's not even funny. Round 5 : Beyonder Curbs ( it is said that his power is far superior to MM. Archie Sonic vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder 62 results; 1; 2; pr0d1gy. Baby Beyonder. If we ignore Thought Robot's plot manipulating and implied power and go by feats, then I think Beyonder stops at round 9. Even we accept the retcon situation you defend,thats not a obstacle for Pre Retcon Beyonder and his Supreme power. Thanos with the HotU has destroyed a Celestial, absorbed every Marvel hero, and then subsequently Eternity, Infinity, and the Living Tribunal. Later, the two merge into one single Cosmic Cube, and it is. The result is pretty obvious. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Additional comment actions. Thought Robot without any effort. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. There is no way to square all of the things The Beyonder could do pre-retcon with the origin they assigned to him post-retcon, so you kind of need to make a distinction between the. #1 Hello, I completely redid Beyonder's power and abilities section from scratch. #8 Edited By Prince of Saiyans. It took 3 of the Beyonders to take down the same LT. Follow 15136. (too many people use the word "hell" "asshole" and "bitch")Batman (just kidding) 10 years ago. Round 2: White Phoenix of the Crown: Beyonder stomps. The Beyonders have nothing to do with Pre Retcon Beyonder. I really can't be asked to go. So, it is the power of pre-retcon Beyonder. Forum Posts. check for yourselves in the Cosmic/Abstract Bios if you wish at Marvel in their histories. Rune King Thor can still lose to the Abstract beings such as Eternity and Infinity due to their respective powers. Doom did. #18 Edited By Kingant27. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the literal principle and the executioner at the same time yes their was scans of Beyonder TANKing universe busting and faster than light attacks he even was able to. I'm not talking about the power he's given, but more so what's possible that's given to him. That said, Beyonder loses anyway otherwise and badly (really badly) mainly because Lucifer crushes the BeyondRealm and can survive all of Beyonder's max feat and max implied level of power. Someones who can ONESHOT multiverse > > > > > someones who. Pretty sure it wasnt stated to end so. Spectre is tapped into God so he has an unlimited amount of power at his disposal. PR Beyonder takes it 10/10. deactivated-63c1a72900876. As wanky as it sounds, you've pitted an omnipotent+ being against an omnipotent being. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. Akasha only has 6d universes on itself, that's not omnipotence. Attack Potency: Varies (His power level varies heavily depending on his mental and emotional state, as well as the mental blocks he places upon his own mind - without even knowing) from Human level (Is an ordinary human sometimes, but his statistics tend to go up and down) to High Hyperverse level (Comparable to the Beyonder, being, depending. Definitely Beyonder. High-End Composite Time Lords and High-End Interpretation Downstreamers 3. A High Nigh-Omnipotent being; with no limits. deactivated-5b3daad020468. Reason? Preretcon beyonder can stand against TOAA and LT. He is. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. Molecule Man is a character from Marvel Comics. Manhattan is super strong. Lucifer could just tricked Beyonder like Molecule Man did to Beyonder. Vs. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Pre-Retcon Beyonder can resurrect the Dead and can give whoever Power they never once had. Pre-Retcon Beyonder can teleport and undo. Wich by the way, Beyonder, would just make a tought to undo them all. Fires a blast that according to Beyonder, could slag Several Billion Dimensions. 111 results. pr beyonder was way above LT, even when pr beyonder was weakened, he was still more powerful than a room full of abstracts, including LT. Lucifer is a different beast. He stomps. Doom get the drop on him and take his power. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. 0. Oldfather 18. Power-level wise, the Beyonder is so far 'beyond' the Anti-Monitor it's not even funny. Molecule Man. Holo-Man • 3 yr. Regulator Thanos wins, both these characters are above LT in power scope, however the HOTU. Follow 379. Sep 20, 2018. Theoreticaly speaking yes Pre Retcon Beyonder is above TOAA simply because TOAA is the most powerful being in the marvel universe, and PRB is 1 million times more powerful than the collective. Strange, Sorcerer Supreme 10: The In-Betweener. 7 years ago. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator.